Thanks for a great chat-will be interesting to see if those Lineker offended over Brexit will tune in to Match of the Day this Saturday.
Wondering:were the higher viewing figures on this weeks limited programme a show of support for him and co or an indication that many football fans (North of Watford Gap ) can’t stand the pundits pontificating
Free speech is contingent on all having equal access to an audience. That was the assumption of the likes of Voltaire and Mill when they perceived it. We have a celebrity culture with figures who can sway disproportionately. So I would argue that given the circumstances, arhat along with the Millian benchmark of ‘other regarding actions’, we should also apply the idea of Sophistry to limiting speech.
Language is only meaningful in its social context and the difference between 1930s Germany where Jews were trying to get out, and the context of the U.K. now where the rhetoric gives no fear to the predominantly Albanian and Iranian young men leaving one of the safest and wealthiest places in the world with a unique choice of 26 countries to jump into danger in boats, is a ridiculous comparison.
I have communicated with Iranians and listened to young men in their perfectly lovely homes with extended family support systems, planning their ‘story’ to come on their adventure to the West - I married an Iranian asylum seeker (and taught, befriended and housed many).
I recall how Greece changed from a place of unlocked doors to one of fencing and padlocks and fear when the Albanian border opened, and I heard disgust over this current matter from my Jewish friend who lost family in Auschwitz that there should be any comparison made.
So I would say that the danger of sophistry is significant in misleading and misinforming here. Recognition of the danger of sophistry was why democracy originally prohibited voting - as it would facilitate the ‘silver tongued’ misleading and manipulating. That restricts the liberty required for unthreatened exchange and measured judgment.
Lineker's reference to Nazi Germany is roughly equivalent to Clarkson's 'Game of Thrones' Megan Markle missive except that Clarkson was allowed to be thrown to the mob.
Thanks for a great chat-will be interesting to see if those Lineker offended over Brexit will tune in to Match of the Day this Saturday.
Wondering:were the higher viewing figures on this weeks limited programme a show of support for him and co or an indication that many football fans (North of Watford Gap ) can’t stand the pundits pontificating
Gudrun
Free speech is contingent on all having equal access to an audience. That was the assumption of the likes of Voltaire and Mill when they perceived it. We have a celebrity culture with figures who can sway disproportionately. So I would argue that given the circumstances, arhat along with the Millian benchmark of ‘other regarding actions’, we should also apply the idea of Sophistry to limiting speech.
Language is only meaningful in its social context and the difference between 1930s Germany where Jews were trying to get out, and the context of the U.K. now where the rhetoric gives no fear to the predominantly Albanian and Iranian young men leaving one of the safest and wealthiest places in the world with a unique choice of 26 countries to jump into danger in boats, is a ridiculous comparison.
I have communicated with Iranians and listened to young men in their perfectly lovely homes with extended family support systems, planning their ‘story’ to come on their adventure to the West - I married an Iranian asylum seeker (and taught, befriended and housed many).
I recall how Greece changed from a place of unlocked doors to one of fencing and padlocks and fear when the Albanian border opened, and I heard disgust over this current matter from my Jewish friend who lost family in Auschwitz that there should be any comparison made.
So I would say that the danger of sophistry is significant in misleading and misinforming here. Recognition of the danger of sophistry was why democracy originally prohibited voting - as it would facilitate the ‘silver tongued’ misleading and manipulating. That restricts the liberty required for unthreatened exchange and measured judgment.
Lineker's reference to Nazi Germany is roughly equivalent to Clarkson's 'Game of Thrones' Megan Markle missive except that Clarkson was allowed to be thrown to the mob.